Yes, Fyastrata, I was having a hard time wrapping my head around some aspects of hard surface modeling in Houdini, what would take me 10 minutes in Houdini takes 2 in C4D. Houdini VFX, especially particles, blows C4D out of the water it much quicker and easier to get results, for that I will stay with Houdini but for hardsurface modeling I am returning to C4D.