Hi   I've been playing around with the wdas data set cloud and I've noticed that we houdini users (who are not lucky enough to have access to shaders dveloped by giant companies) lack an overall dense (almost pyroclastic) cloud shader that shows the distinct features of puffy cumulus clouds. After a through searching both in web and odforce i've seen that a few people also inquired on the same subject but it was inconclusive. I've decided to use this post as an idea dump to possibly implement a new shader or track your opinion on the subject.     During the searching i've realized that distinct features of dense clouds are achievable by either using a very high number of internal light bounces or by faking them. I have seen that dark edges are the most prominent feature of the dense clouds since the other effects as transmittance and high forward scattering are already studied and implemented in shaders.    To assess the current state of volume rendering other then mantra i've done a couple tests with several renderers in maya and also tried the new terragen 4.2. The most beautiful (simulating a real cloud light) is the hyperion render. Terragen 4 clouds are also very realistic and detailed (http://terragen4.com/first-look/). Arnold seems to be the best commercial option out there and is very good in giving the edge darkening but fails at details in dark areas (which is highly visible in hyperion) but i think these areas can be compansated with additional ligths. Redshift render is blazing fast but no where near the realism.    In houdini i have used pbr with 50 volume limit, 5x5 samples, volume quality at 2 with a standart volume cloud shader. I have just started to see dark edges but even rendering a very small portion of 1920x1080 image took me about 10 minutes ( 2xE5-2680 v3, 48 cores total) . For speed comparison, redshift was the fastest with a couple minutes, arnold took about 10 minutes, terragen is said to be around an hour for a very heavy cumulus cloud. No information about hyperion but since wdas has a 50.000 core farm it shouldn't be a problem. Mantra was the worst with a projected couple hours of total render.    Below are the sources i found for future reference for myself     Oliver also asked about a cloud shader and Mike Lyndon says he has implemented a shader before (https://forums.odforce.net/topic/17900-cloud-shader/) . This is the most prominent one and is the one i will be implementing. The thesis of Antoine Bouthors that Mike says he has implemented (http://evasion.imag.fr/~Antoine.Bouthors/research/phd/thesis/thesis.pdf) .  Beautiful mie scattering solution by Matt and the base for my shader (http://mattebb.com/weblog/rendering-clouds-with-the-mie-phase-function/) Odforce user Andrea was also interested in such topic and has some ideas in it (https://forums.odforce.net/topic/24831-cloud-shader/) Modelling aspect of clouds (https://forums.odforce.net/topic/12923-pyroclastic-noise-demystified/?page=2) Siggraph presentation by Magnus Wrenninge  (http://magnuswrenninge.com/content/pubs/VolumetricMethodsInVisualEffects2010.pdf) Realtime clouds for horizon zero dawn by guerilla games. realtime but has really nice implementations (horizon zero dawn real time clouds) A hefty paper from Hyperion developer Yining Karl Li (https://blog.yiningkarlli.com/2017/07/spectral-and-decomposition-tracking.html)    With the directions i gathered from Mike Lyndon's post i have started implementing the photon map approach. I have already implemented a henyey-greenstein phase function and added the contribution by radiance photons. Now i will try to implement the ideas presented in the thesis of Antoine, with high focus on cumulus cloud rendering (ch. 7). Attached is the current state of shader (cloud_shader.rar)   I am also interested in GLSL implementations for viewport and cloud modelling tools but i guess this post wil be mostly about a shop type implementation.  anyway here is a simple glsl implementation work and i am open to every feedback https://forums.odforce.net/topic/32197-glsl-pipeline-in-houdini/?tab=comments#comment-190945   I am definitely not an expert on this subject, so all input, ideas, criticsm, and source is welcomed. Thank you.     Hyperion Render   (wdas_cloud_hyperion_render.png is Copyright 2017 Disney Enterprises, Inc. and are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License )   Terragen 4 Render terragen_4_render.tif     Houdini Pbr Render (the little part on top took 10 minutes to render so i left it unfinished)   Arnold Render   Redshift Render