@ParticleSkull yep i'll hopefully be having a go at doing something else hehe - got a few fun things lined up!   btw i couldn't get the random rotation thing working:
rand($PT)*360 in the copy stamp variable tried a fit something or other - still nothing   in the end this worked:
rand($PT) * 33.3 * $FF   now my instanced fem things are rotated on creation.  It works sod it!
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