Intrinsic transforms, matrices and volumes

[ch3]

Hi,

we are turning some animated geometry (alembic, non-deforming animation) into clouds, but because we want the noise of the clouds to be in local space (not be affected by the animation), I am trying to work out how to apply the animation after the creating the clouds referencing the intrinsic transform of the alembic.

Using an AttributeVOP, I've managed to copy the intrinsic:packedfulltransform of the animated alembic, on to the intrinsic:transform of the static alembic model. I am still trying to get my head around the difference between matrix3 and matrix4 for these transform. Is there a general rule to which matrix type is used in each case?

intrinsic:packedfulltransform is matrix4, intrinsic:transform in packed primitives is matrix3, but intrinsic:transform in VDB is matrix4. So what I put together and works for packed geometry or simple volumes, doesn't work with VDBs unless if I pack them before hand.

Also my understanding is that intrinsic:packedfulltransform  and intrinsic:packedlocaltransform are not writable and I can only change intrinsic:transform . Is that right?

 

thank you

 

 

[f1480187]

3x3 matrix is a rotation (and also scale) matrix. It does not store translation vector, since there is no space to store it, like in 4x4 transform matrices. We usually use 4x4 matrices to store full transforms (translation, rotation, scale), and 3x3 to store orientations. In later case, additional pivot attribute may be used to store translation. VDB's transform intrinsic may be special, however. Hard to tell without seeing an actual problem.

Edited April 21, 2016 by f1480187
Snippet not work, so, I removed it.

[ch3]

hey, thanks for these pointers.

I have noticed that other than matrix3 intrinsic transform, I also need to set the @P to fully copy the alembic animation onto static packed objects, or volumes.

Somehow though, if you convert a simple volume to a VDB, the intrinsic:transform attribute becomes a 4x4 matrix, so the code you posted doesn't set the matrix correctly. This works though:

@P = point(1,"P", @ptnum);
matrix t = primintrinsic(1, "packedfulltransform", @primnum);
setprimintrinsic(0, "transform", @primnum, t, "multiply");

and confuses me a bit to why it still needs to set the @P even though it's a 4x4 matrix.
As you say volumes and VDBs may be a special case, as I've noticed their bounding box is also stored as scale values within the matrix and that's why I have to set the setprimintrinsic to multiply rather than set.

We are currently face another problem, where the volume jitters after setting these the transform matrix. Somehow it seems that the pivot changes as the cloud patch re-calculates on every frame, which changes the placement.

Thanks again for your time.

[ch3]

I have to say though, occasionally I get some strange behavior with VDBs. They update correctly when viewed from the moving camera, but at times they stay still when viewed from the default viewport perspective camera.
At this point it may be safer to extract the translate/rotate/scale components from the matrix and apply them using one transformSOP per primitive.

[f1480187]

1. Sure. 3x3 matrices do rotate, skew and scale only. Object will stay on it's place. There is two ways, actually. First, and probably most useful, is to set P in point wrangle after setting transform in primitive wrangle, as you did. Second is to use primitive wrangle only and set pivot intrinsic, not sure about drawbacks of this method:

// Primitive wrangle.
matrix t = primintrinsic(1, "packedfulltransform", @primnum);

matrix3 r = (matrix3) t;
setprimintrinsic(0, "transform", @primnum, r);

vector p = primintrinsic(0, "pivot", 0);
p -= cracktransform(0, 0, 0, 0, p, t);
setprimintrinsic(0, "pivot", @primnum, p);

Note that using both @ptnum and @primnum is good only for vertex wrangles over normal geometry. @primnum in point wrangles will always be 0, and @ptnum is equal to 0 in primitive wrangles. Normally, you should split your snippet on two different wrangles. It did work, however, because there is single volume primitive, with only point #0 and primitive #0 exist.

2. I cannot reproduce my own snippet working now, so, never mind. Probably, you shouldn't bother with multiplying, but here is how to cleanly set VDB transform:

// Primitive wrangle.
matrix pft = primintrinsic(1, "packedfulltransform", @primnum);

vector scale = primintrinsic(0, "voxelsize", @primnum);
matrix3 r = (matrix3) pft;
scale(r, scale);

vector translate = cracktransform(0, 0, 0, 0, pft);
matrix t = (matrix) r;
translate(t, translate);

setprimintrinsic(0, "transform", @primnum, t);

3. Updating transform using intrinsic:pivot from animated input may help to get rid of jitter.

4. There is various problems with dealing with VDBs using intrinsics on my build. First is incorrect viewport updating. Caching geometry after wrangle node helps.

intrinsic_transforms.hipnc

Edited April 21, 2016 by f1480187

[mikejg]

did u get this??? please help!!

 

[hannes603]

On 9/12/2024 at 5:32 AM, mikejg said:

did u get this??? please help!!

 

use a transform pieces. we dont need to make  easy things complicated

intrinsic_transforms_simple.hipnc

[mikejg]

9 hours ago, hannes603 said:

use a transform pieces. we dont need to make  easy things complicated

intrinsic_transforms_simple.hipnc 82.49 kB · 3 downloads

Wow Mate.. i appreciate youu..Since you are a wizard,  i hope you dont midn me asking for another help.. Thanks Chief Love u!!!!!!!!!

 

I have a school project that requires me to have the .abc link Wetransfer https://we.tl/t-LgmpxC5Iiz combined with the effects from HF Erode...

BasicalIy just want to get the details from a specific frame from the HF Erode and apply to my surface .abc imported from Maya.

 

I tried to use the HF Project on my .abc, but the my abc animation  stops the  after the HF Erode.. i know this wrong, but how do i get it?

 

Maybe even more complex, i saw a thread with simlar question as me below. and 1 response below.... Do you know how to do as beelow??

You can sort of hack this by copying the internals of the Heightfield Erode inside a Foreach Loop with Feedback. You'll have to change/relink some of the parameters but it works, I had to do it once.

Otherwise yes, timeshift the frame you need and run it through tops by wedging the noise each frame.

 

[hannes603]

3 hours ago, mikejg said:

Wow Mate.. i appreciate youu..Since you are a wizard,  i hope you dont midn me asking for another help.. Thanks Chief Love u!!!!!!!!!

 

I have a school project that requires me to have the .abc link Wetransfer https://we.tl/t-LgmpxC5Iiz combined with the effects from HF Erode...

BasicalIy just want to get the details from a specific frame from the HF Erode and apply to my surface .abc imported from Maya.

 

I tried to use the HF Project on my .abc, but the my abc animation  stops the  after the HF Erode.. i know this wrong, but how do i get it?

 

Maybe even more complex, i saw a thread with simlar question as me below. and 1 response below.... Do you know how to do as beelow??

You can sort of hack this by copying the internals of the Heightfield Erode inside a Foreach Loop with Feedback. You'll have to change/relink some of the parameters but it works, I had to do it once.

Otherwise yes, timeshift the frame you need and run it through tops by wedging the noise each frame.

 

not doing much in heightfields.. cant you just convert height field to geo and texture bake all to your alembics uv ?