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Oh alright, thank you for taking the time and linking the forum, I appreciate.

There is a known issue with 565 NVIDIA drivers. https://www.sidefx.com/forum/topic/98442/

awesome- thank you

hey aged, an example if you have time would be so helpful. I've seen surely all available tutorials on hair/fur simulation but not found anything describing the process for fur on animated cloth.  re. "sim mesh" vrs "hero mesh" I'm assuming you mean a low poly proxy point deforming the high poly version yes? sounds sensible for the cloth sim in terms of perfomance but I'm a bit lost on how that helps with then applying the fur/groom etc. perhaps you can elaborate? in general I suspect the main issue stems from the order I'm doing things in. I might be over complicating or simply doing things the wrong way round. I had thought that since the individual planar patches I'm making the clothes from need to be attached together (draped) prior to animating the character, and given I need both a static and animated version of the cloth+charachter prior to adding the fur, that I would need to complete the drape prior to applying fur.  the problem with this though, is that I end up with a draped coat/hood/etc. with all the natural folds, even in a T pose, which prevent clean painting of the fur on to the surface area.  but if I apply the fur to the individual planar patch items prior to the drape.. there's no animated mesh to direct the fur sim. so how would I then direct the fur to be animated in the absence of a static + animated cloth mesh?  hugely appreciate your taking the time here thank you   

I have 20.5 indie installed on both PC and Mac but am unable to see recipes on Mac. The utility seems to be missing at least as far as I can tell.  is anyone else having this issue? am I perhaps missing a simple step to make recipes available on Mac? thanks!