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Is there a simple way of closing an open curve with out creating a renderable/visible surface. After closing the ends I just want to get a simple like the circle on the right. The Ends Sop creates a surface..How can I avoid this? Is placing the first and last points at the same position the only solution? Btw the curve is animated and random pointnum sorting. Can I somehow get for every frame the pointnum of my first and last point so I can push them in the same position?