Mandrake0 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 it looks like Ilion animation has pirated software in production, sad to hear :-/ Blog post: http://thisisnotwhatwesignedupfor.blogspot.de/ found the blog post on the the foundry site: http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/discussion/topic.aspx?f=4&t=108553 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tar Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 This is terrible news, I was unaware that Houdini 13.8 was available! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanGranskg Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) The story feels a bit suspicious in my opinion. I find it very immature thing to start drawing cartoons about the people involved in the company and one of the comments on the post are about him basically being an asshole at the company and everyone disliking him. I'm not sure what to believe. Edited May 12, 2015 by JonathanGranskg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandrake0 Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 i'm not sure if it's true or not but when not he will destroy his career so there must be something about it. that he is a assh*** for them makes sense because when it's true they will have troubles with current projects and new ones.... the H13.8 could be a dev version not sure i'm not in a beta program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebkaine Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 yeah i agree with Jonathan , you wash you're laundry in family ... if piracy is the issue you just need to contact sesi / foundry . then they send a bailiff to check machine and voila ... when you start to trash people personally in public ... it start to look like a personnal vandetta ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tar Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 when you start to trash people personally in public ... it start to look like a personnal vandetta ... Yup, unfortunately when an educated/smart person does this, it's the tell-tale signs of political manoeuvring IMO. If there is a case to be answered, normally you just squash the people responsible with a lawyer's letter/meeting and see them sweat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebkaine Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) One interesting point is that the guy remove several post in the comment section including one from an illion guy. I always love to ear lesson of good morality by people who don't respect freedom of speech ... edit: the guy looks to have repost the comment ... so he does respect freedom of speech ! Edited May 12, 2015 by sebkaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisux Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Personally I can't believe how people can be so naive to believe this guy. Francis before just putting the link to the blog try to get some more info. This guy is basically a dick, sorry. He has been fired for not being competent and because his attitude with his team and coworkers was awful. I don't work at Ilion, I know a lot of people there, not a big fan of some of them I have to say, but this is just a personal vendetta for being fired. And the thing that is very sad is that this guy prefers to put all the jobs at Ilion at risk just because of his ego. I hope this will be clarified sooner and people at Ilion can keep working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandrake0 Posted May 13, 2015 Author Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) the main reason was this post was on the foundry forum and i'm not sure if he say's the truth or not. when somebody knows him and knows he is a bad person or a nice guy it can help if this is true or not. if he is a liar then he will have some problems for his career and that i find has to be count in. nobody will blame a company and invest time and his career for just a hoax. i find when there is something wrong at Ilion then it's not fair for the others: software company and cg studios. when they became big because of cost reduction through piracy then i find it's fine to go public. it would be nice when everything gets clarified i don't wanted to blame anybody at all because at the moment nothing is 100% proved..... Edited May 13, 2015 by Mandrake0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symek Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Personally I can't believe how people can be so naive to believe this guy. Francis before just putting the link to the blog try to get some more info. This guy is basically a dick, sorry. He has been fired for not being competent and because his attitude with his team and coworkers was awful. I don't work at Ilion, I know a lot of people there, not a big fan of some of them I have to say, but this is just a personal vendetta for being fired. And the thing that is very sad is that this guy prefers to put all the jobs at Ilion at risk just because of his ego. I hope this will be clarified sooner and people at Ilion can keep working. Personally I can't imagine how anyone not directly involved into the case can make such bold statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tar Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 In the end all that has been communicated is the company may use pirated software and the supervisor may be an a-hole and was fired... I prefer the stories told to me of 'what to be aware of' when I got into the industry; guns being put on the table to get job done on time, burning down half million dollar computers for insurance, putting hallucinogens into drinks of co-workers, throwing telephones through walls... Nothing too exciting here. Welcome to the industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisux Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Personally I can't imagine how anyone not directly involved into the case can make such bold statements.Well Symek I based my statement in the facts the everybody knows.First sorry again for using the term dick in a public forum, but I was just angry. So the fact we all know, I am going to put apart what I know from inside. Is that a supervisor who has been fired during the provatory period has put a post in public blog making really serious accusations to a company with pretty much no proof. And has sent a letter to the production company, Paramount, making the same accusation with again not really conclusive proof. So sorry for me this is irresponsible and naive. I have seen lots of people being fired at that company. Most of them in a very ugly way. If you have a disputed you first go to court and try to get an agreement and solve it. But making these accusations trying to break a contract on which depends hundreds of others jobs, sorry this is really really bad way of dealing with this matter. Also some parts of his statement are just simply stupid, trying to say that this company operates with pirate software in a regular basis to compete with some advtage against others like ILM, seriously you have to be very naive to believe this. You compete saving money with salaries, some software licenses are not going to make any difference and this industry is so small that if this company uses pirate license in a massive scale EVERYBODY will know it. So that statements about using the illegal software to win the contract against ILM an other americans studios is just non sense. Then all of this stuff about defending the ethics of the industry, bla, bla, well sorry is to easy and sweet for me to believe it. So these are the facts I know, probably the same as you, and as you can see I don't enter in whether or not he has being fired with a reason or if that studios have some illegal software. Finally lets get to a point where this company loses the contract, all workers lose their job. Well the owners of the studio have millions, they are going to sue him asking for a huge compensation. Then he is going to be in real trouble. It doesn't look like a very smart movement from him, that could affect a lot of people an other companies in the country. Edited May 13, 2015 by lisux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgTux Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Dear Pablo Jimenez and everyone else in the posts. I am Diego Garzon, the person you are all talking about with out the proper information. Choosing to make my story public has been what of the hardest things I've had to endure up to this point in my life. Before you wrote another post and after hate email, call threats and people commenting all kinds of terrible things about me. I want you to hear my story from me, and make your own conclusions.This addresses the most important questions about Who am I? What do I stand for? and What I am about? https://soundcloud.com/dgarzonmylife/mylifestory then ask me the right questions. I'll be happy to answer them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tar Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Immediate post-podcast impression: This whole drama appears to be the blowback when you have a potent mix of idealism and whistleblowing; unfortunately as you've found out not everyone is agreeable with your philosophy. Fast forward a few years and you'll be way busy with your new company! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisux Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Dear Pablo Jimenez and everyone else in the posts. I am Diego Garzon, the person you are all talking about with out the proper information. Choosing to make my story public has been what of the hardest things I've had to endure up to this point in my life. Before you wrote another post and after hate email, call threats and people commenting all kinds of terrible things about me. I want you to hear my story from me, and make your own conclusions. This addresses the most important questions about Who am I? What do I stand for? and What I am about? https://soundcloud.com/dgarzonmylife/mylifestory Then ask me the right questions. I'll be happy to answer them Hey Diego, well first of all as I said before, sorry for use some gruesome words, that was bad on my side.I think Marty has answered you, I have read part of the podcast, sorry I didn't have the time to hear everything but I think I got a good idea of what you wanna say. And actually your story seems to be similar to mine. But I still have the same opinion sorry. You have your ideas which are respectable, but there are lots of different ways to do what you have done. Would be great if you get some honest information about how american animation companies operates and controls distribution, and makes so hard to companies from other countries to compete. This is not trying to justify any supposed bad policy from Ilion, but since you try to say that Ilion is not competing in equal to other americans companies, would be nice if you get info about how the industry works and how they compete. And think that your actions could have consequences on lots of others people lives. I don't want to start a discussion here, just the fact that you have decide to go so far makes evident that we are never going to get an agreement. To finish, I am not trying to defend Ilion here, I know them since they were a small studio, I now directly several histories like yours one or even worst probably. Good luck! P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daverand Posted May 18, 2015 Share Posted May 18, 2015 I know Diego, worked with him closely. I found him to be very competent, easy to get along with, and talented. First of all, allowing a precedent to build where it is ok to fire a foreign vfx artist, with no warning and to not pay him for his time in full. To ask him to work without pay while his permits are In progres and then boot him to the street is wrong..no matter what the reason. I was recently helping with a case in Montreal where this same practice was becoming along with the use of pirated software. Diego reached out to me, showed me the evidence online aa well as things he has not posted. I'm more than convinced he's on the level and have posted in several places my email to those who want to come forward confidentially and help take this case to the right path and offer the ability for the company and the artists to get back on track and to work in an environment that can only benefit the artists and the company in the long run. Our industry has suffered enough. Email me in confidence if you have information that can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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