sibarrick Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 From the Rythm and Hues notes: The importance of hair-to-hair shadowing to the realism of rendered hair cannot be overstated. Using traditional depth maps for this purpose would fail to capture the gradual shad-owing arising from multiple layers of partially transparent hair. Deep shadow maps are a better option, but they require considerable computation and storage. Our solution is to pre-compute and store self-shadowing information in each hair primitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted October 2, 2004 Author Share Posted October 2, 2004 aye, I read that. Definitely a job for point clouds. :thumbsup: BTW, I remember the bunny demo... but I don't remember seeing the fur. Are there any images on the net? SESI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 A furry mandrilball! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Thats pretty cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted October 7, 2004 Author Share Posted October 7, 2004 Here's a small update. Perhaps not as cool as the Mandriball, but cool nontheless. edit: I'm cheating shadows at the moment by darkening the roots. There is a zdepth shadow as well, but I don't think it contributes too much to it. Turntable coming soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekenny Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 very cool. would be interesting to see the skin shading without the hair... could you post the same frames without fur? the darkening at the roots is a good trick to use. very good stuff. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted October 7, 2004 Author Share Posted October 7, 2004 There is actually no skin shading to speak of at the moment. I have a skin surface underneath that's basically a very dark clay shader. Once I have the texture painted then I'll probably use that. The good thing about a horse is that the hair is pretty short and very close to the skin, so you hardly ever see the skin unless you go up close and move the hairs about. Cleverly, I won't be doing that . Although I'm going to have to come up with something for the eyes and mouth. Ciao M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sibarrick Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Hmmmm very soft and velvety... nice. There are a few artifacts but I guess that is the jpeg compression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted October 8, 2004 Author Share Posted October 8, 2004 Here's a turntable for you to take a look at. There is still a slight amount of noise in the fur, but I'm sure it will go away if I turn up the shading quality a little more. This turntable has shown some issues in the geometry, so I'll be fixing those today. Enjoy : Hturntable.avi M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted October 8, 2004 Author Share Posted October 8, 2004 Just another little sum'in sum'in for the weekend. Gotta blend the mane in with the neck a little better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenP Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 The hair doesnt look bad but still is not really looking like the hair of the horse ( just out of the head i would say the specular is wrong ) . My wife has 2 horses so i will take you some close up photos for reference this weekend . I hope they will help you to make that horse look really " kick ass ". Sven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted October 9, 2004 Author Share Posted October 9, 2004 Hey Sven Thanks for the comments. I was thinking yesterday that he's a little fluffy too. I did kinda decide that I don't want him looking too much like a real horse. He does have a human body, so its definitely not a real thing I'm trying to replicate here Having said that though, some pictures would ber great for reference. Thanks M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SvenP Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 You have a new PM Sven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatrixNAN Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Hey Marc, I was going to say Point Clouds with Subsurface Scattering which is what all the major studios seem to be using when I was at the 2004 siggraph Hair/Fur Course. They basically showed what really made their hair look realistic was the subsurface scattering. Man what a difference between that and normal shading procedures I saw sold after that on SSS. Cheers, Nate Nesler P.S. By the way your fur is looking really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfx Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Hi there, I work on fur sometimes. I used the displacement from the "line as tube" you talked previously. Thats really great. I have not read yet all the references you talk about (stuart little,...) but i'll do it. I have looked at the R&H cat fur explanations, using DeepShadows map. Is it a way to generate that kind of map with mantra ? I guess this a renderman feature ? I play around the "fake fur" rendering from B Goldman (1997) http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/dgoldman/fakefur/ I'de like to know what you think about it ? The opacity method is what i hack in my own shader. I very quickly see how it improved the fur but i don't understand how to have an optimal setup for the probability setting "number of hair in a sample region" & "local density of hair". Any clue ? the result i've for now: http://b.fx.free.fr/image/cat.sit.jpg thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 5, 2004 Share Posted November 5, 2004 Did anyone point out this? http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~srm/publication...r-abstract.html It talks about the tinted secondary specular that occurs in (mostly blonde) hair and the transmited light. The paper is a little, er, dense, but I wonder if anyone has tried out this paper yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 FYI: Link doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 Thanks Ed - try this link: http://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/hair/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward Posted November 6, 2004 Share Posted November 6, 2004 Yeah, saw this at Siggraph when it came out but don't know if anyone has done it yet (outside of perhaps Joe Alter). Did anyone notice the hair shading in the Incredibles? It was beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenong Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Yep, it is beautiful, especially when it is wet! Cheers! steven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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