Librarian Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 he did like businessman honest mistake Stop now .... soon he's gonna adjust everything .. Lets model some stuffffss yupiiiiiiiii 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njordy Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, srletak said: he did like businessman honest mistake soon he's gonna adjust everything Businessman's mistake of deleting his old posts with false promises? Sure thing. I'm very happy to hear what he's gonna adjust everything. Hopefully it starts restoring those posts he deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Vanzhula Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 Given the HUGE amount of work done and many unslept nights, it’s foolish to blame me for not having business skills I'm going to say this one last time: Once, while working on 2.0, I decided to test how DM 1.0 works in Houdini 17.0. It worked with lots of bugs in the latest updates. Therefore, I decided to post the new version faster. Just at that time, it was announced about the release of Houdini 17.5. So I decided to rename future 2.0 to 1.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njordy Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Alexey Vanzhula said: So I decided to rename future 2.0 to 1.5 ...without telling it no one about renaming. Until 2.0 was released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghiom Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 You have changed a deal you cannot. A deal is a deal that's the basics of gumroad plateform, change this for every deal and gumroad collapses. Your business collapses too. You have responsibility about the deal you write with your customers. there is nothing to argue about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Vanzhula Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) I wrote, for example, "DM 1.5 is coming" on FB Houdini for Artists group more then 6 months ago Edited August 22, 2019 by Alexey Vanzhula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njordy Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ghiom said: Your business collapses too. Dude, that's too much. 5 minutes ago, Alexey Vanzhula said: I wrote, for example, "DM 1.5 is coming" on FB Houdini for Artists group more then 6 month ago It's a great news what you wrote what 1.5 is coming. You wrote it here too. It means another great version before promised 2.0. And in any case, does it clearly say you change versioning? I checked, and it's not (at least I think). With 80+ fb groups you promote your tool. Nether does Sidefx forums, not here. Edited August 22, 2019 by Njordy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghiom Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 not everyone is on facebook. The deal was done on Gumroad. We can call Gumroad to ask them what they think about this situation if you prefer. we can ask to Paypal too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Vanzhula Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) The problem is that DM 1.5 was that great relase A HUGE UPDATE (former DM 2.0). It has a new Modeler paradigm. So, why you so cruel? Edited August 22, 2019 by Alexey Vanzhula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Vanzhula Posted August 22, 2019 Author Share Posted August 22, 2019 Just try to compare 1.0 and 1.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njordy Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Alexey Vanzhula said: So, why you so cruel? What do you expect from someone you belittled and called a petty man? From someone who's personal conversations with you posted on public forum? From someone who asked you personally if it's a free update and you chose to ignore 2 months ago (and others). From someone who paid (as many many people complaining everywhere — discord, facebook) thinking they will get free 2.0 update, and they better buy now, because 2.0 will be more expensive. From someone who thinks your scheduling is malevolent, what you release 2 big update (paid) in a span of ~2 months, and don't expect people just buying 1.5 not being happy (I see people saying the same on facebook). But you call it "bullshit", and "I do what I want". From someone who was cheated by you. And from someone he's freaking astonished you started deleting your own posts. Edited August 22, 2019 by Njordy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghiom Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Like i say Alexey, i really can understand your situation. The fact is business have rules. if you break the rules business is collapsing. You must repsect the rules and we must respect the rules too. If you need peoples help you to work on your tool more than you expect at the begining, respect the rules first and ask us to help you by giving us something is exchange or nothing. You can explain on the update page your situation and asking people to give what they can, want... there is a lot of gumroad business where peoples give how many they want. and sometimes it's more than you expect. This way, you make a community growing, because we speak around us about our tools . we love our tools. I want to help you and i'm ready to pay for 2.0. But not like that ,not if you change the rules. I will just stop using you tool and go away. but if you give it like it was said, i'm ready to give something to help you because i love my tools, everytools i buy wich help me to work better.(even if i've never had a chance to really try DM at this times) Make what you think you think right. we do too. have a nice day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljwood Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Hey Alexey, As I commented on the Facebook post, you have a right to price your work at whatever you want. What you do have to consider is that consumers don't take a decision to part with their money lightly, and what we especially don't like is to part with our money and then feel like we haven't got what we bargained for. My grievance is that I feel like releasing an upgrade just months after the previous and then expecting the user to pay almost full price is just wrong. I can tell you now that if I knew there was another release around the corner when I purchased (that I would have to pay for), then not only would I have not bought the plugin at the time, but i'd likely not purchase at all knowing that my version may be out of date in a couple of months. It seems other users are in an even worse situation than myself, in where they were previously promised a free upgrade and have since been told they have to pay. You can't just move the goalposts when you feel like and expect other people to be happy with it. Set your prices however you please, but my friendly advice to you is that if you keep doing things the way you are doing, then you will soon be in a position where very few people will buy from you. Reputation is everything! If you really want repeat business from existing customers, then do some research - maybe introduce a maintenance system or licensing system so that is there is 100% transparency over what they are getting when they purchase. One final note and just a little food for thought to help you see where the frustration comes from - your plugin is just under half the price of Houdini itself, and now you're telling me that my version is out of date after just three months of release (not just the purchase date, but the actual release date!)? I'm about 10 months into my Indie license, and since then i've had Houdini 17, Houdini 17.5 and who knows, maybe i'll even get a couple of months with Houdini 18. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njordy Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, coljwood said: releasing an upgrade just months after the previous Man, it's all bull***t. It's his choice when to release and what price to ask, and he's not obligated to keep his promises. Wait a few more months, he can release yet another paid update. Edited August 22, 2019 by Njordy Cropped the image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobc4d Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Hey Alexey, so your FREE DM 1.5.XX download is actually DM 2.0 for current users of DM 1.0? 15 hours ago, Alexey Vanzhula said: Given the HUGE amount of work done and many unslept nights, it’s foolish to blame me for not having business skills I'm going to say this one last time: Once, while working on 2.0, I decided to test how DM 1.0 works in Houdini 17.0. It worked with lots of bugs in the latest updates. Therefore, I decided to post the new version faster. Just at that time, it was announced about the release of Houdini 17.5. So I decided to rename future 2.0 to 1.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey Vanzhula Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) bobc4d, exactly. It was fully revamped and was not a simple update. Yes, I know it is confusion, but I'm not a swindler. Given the time I spend on developing the DM, I’m practically not earning anything with Gumroad and work on enthusiasm. Really, after talking with some people who do not understand the essence of the problem, I generally want to close the sale on Gumroad. Then I will not have to prove anything to anyone. PS People, who work in DM, do not bother at all, but only enjoy using it... Edited August 23, 2019 by Alexey Vanzhula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljwood Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Alexey Vanzhula said: bobc4d, exactly. It was fully revamped and was not a simple update. Yes, I know it is confusion, but I'm not a swindler. Given the time I spend on developing the DM, I’m practically not earning anything with Gumroad and work on enthusiasm. Really, after talking with some people who do not understand the essence of the problem, I generally want to close the sale on Gumroad. Then I will not have to prove anything to anyone. PS People, who work in DM, do not bother at all, but only enjoy using it... Maybe you are not earning anything because of your pricing structure? You continue to ignore feedback from people who are your actual customers, who have bought the plugin from you already and have enjoyed the plugin - and now we are giving constructive criticism over your pricing structure and strategy because it is not ethical and quite honestly you just seem to be making things up as you go along. 'Closing the sale on Gumroad' is another perfect example of how you have the wrong attitude towards this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njordy Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 My quarrel has ended. We found a solution, and Alexey politely took back his harsher words. That was a surprising and nice turnaround in the end. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midphase Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 I admit I am more than a little confused myself. I did buy DM 1.0 under the assumption that it came with a free upgrade to 2.0 (which at the time was supposed to arrive at any moment). Then, after what felt like almost a year or "it's coming very soon" version 1.5 popped up, and then practically daily updates, sometimes even twice in a single day which made the whole thing seem even stranger. Then, all of a sudden I get an e-mail announcing 2.0, but only offering a discount and not a free upgrade. Perhaps Alexey's mistake was not to name 1.5 actually 2.0, and then name this new version 2.5 or 3.0. I dunno, it's all very strange that's all. Personally I am not terribly mad, as a matter of fact I just wish there were more tutorials available rather than added functionality. The only thing that would make me upset is if 1.5 ends up not working with H18, and then we're stuck having to pay an extra $100 just to gain compatibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobc4d Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 (edited) On 8/23/2019 at 2:17 AM, Alexey Vanzhula said: bobc4d, exactly. It was fully revamped and was not a simple update. Yes, I know it is confusion, but I'm not a swindler. Given the time I spend on developing the DM, I’m practically not earning anything with Gumroad and work on enthusiasm. Really, after talking with some people who do not understand the essence of the problem, I generally want to close the sale on Gumroad. Then I will not have to prove anything to anyone. PS People, who work in DM, do not bother at all, but only enjoy using it... thank you Alexey. I was confused at first. Any chance of tutorials on this? I am still somewhat new to Houdini. Edited August 24, 2019 by bobc4d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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